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How to find a stolen flash

Posted by Bstuk2 - October 20th, 2007


If you find something that you don't understand, please tell me and ill make it more clear.

Table of Contents
1. Introduction
2. Stolen flashes are usually...
3. More tips
4. What to do if you suspect an under judgement flash to be stolen
5. Example
6. Questions
7. Extra stuff

1. Introduction
I'm making this news post due to the amount of stolen flashes that get in the portal. There are more stolen flashes than you think there are. A month ago I thought "There are barely any stolen flashes" but then I realized there are way more. And when I blow my whistle on them, they just make it past judgement. I need more whistle power but I suck at flagging reviews, so I need you to help me. Together we can get rid of stolen flashes!

2. Stolen flashes are usually...
Most stolen flashes are:
- games (About 25% of them are movies. People think that more movies are stolen because they are easier to spot, but there are really more stolen games.)
- submitted by new members
- the description is really short
- the games great but the boxshot(46 x 46 pic) is really bad or it doesn't have one
- flashes nobody has heard of
- low stats of the submitter
- if a user has one stolen flash, they probably have more
- Sized wrong
Please notice that I said most, not all.

3. More tips
Here are some more tips by Infernalz:

-at night there are usually the members that are on to do nothing. maybe on to waste time or something. mostly wont be that in to it, and knowing what is stolen, blamable etc. so will watch a movie, vote on it, and not noticing, helped pass a stolen flash.

-on event days: case and point- clock day. that day, and usually 1 or 2 after it, everyone will vote 5s on flashes, passing them. people will submit stolen/ blamable flash movies just to get it passed on these days. actually, on the last one, i my self went up 5 B/P ranks just by passing them... but only on flashes with [CC] in the tittle or something to do with the clocks...

-after something is submitted on any site, many people will try and steal it, succeeding, and will be on many different sites... making it harder and harder to find the original maker of a flash...

Thank you!

4. What to do if you suspect a flash to be stolen
If you suspect a flash to be stolen do the following:

1. Don't rush. It may need only 2 more votes until it makes it past judgement, but never hurry. You may forget to check something and you might incorrectly flag a submission. You'll just have to contact Wade then if your too late.
2. Look for the name of the flash, (on the title screen of the flash, not the ng title)
3. Type in the name of the flash in google ( include the word 'flash' with your search). If the flash had an author on it, and it didn't match the submitter's name, include the author's name in the search
4. search for it there, if you don't find it then try more search terms. If you still don't find it then it's probably not stoloen.
5.Check their e-mail address (Considering its UJ). It displays what their e-mail adress end in in the flag it box. If their e-mail address ends with something unfamiliar go to the website that their e-mail adress ends in, and look for it. If you find it it, then it isnt stolen. You dont need to go to to the site if their e-mail adress ends in something common (gmail.com, yahoo.com etc.).
6. If you find it blow your whistle on it (considering that its under judgement)
7. Post it on this thread. Be sure to include links to the stolen and the original.
8. Wait and hope for the best

5. Example
Now here is an example:
Graaaah! you just realized that you haven't gotten a B/P upgrade since February. Being the stat whore you are, you go in the portal to get some B/P points. You stumble across this flash called pinball. The description says "pinball is a good game." You open the flash and play it. "It's ok," you think, "i'll give it a 2 or a 3. But what is in the corner there? 'coolbuddy,' whats that? you realize that the flash may be stolen. go to google and search 'Pinball flash. Its not there (maybye it is, but its on one of the later flashes if its on there). then you realized that you should search 'pinball flash coolbuddy, because "coolbuddy" was the real flash author. You look at one link and click it. The link is http://www.coolbuddy.com/games/pinball /pinball.htm. Wow, its the same thing. You report it and include the link in it. Your computer notifies you that you just flagged the review. (What happened to that awesome animation they played when you blew your whistle on something?). Later you notice that the submission gets past judgement. You get real mad!!! IT GOT AWAY!! you then send a pm to wade, but he never reads those anyways. so the flash got away...

100% of this happened to me. I really just substituted "you" with "I" but whatever. and yes, that flash is stolen.

6. Questions

Q: I have found a stolen flash that made it past judgement. What should I do?
A: You should E-Mail Wade at wade@newgrounds.com

Q: I'm not really sure if a flash is stolen or not. I have the correct link and all, but im still not very sure that its stolen.
A: You are just going to have to assume that the flash isn't stolen. The author might submit more stolen flash and then get caught, then all the flashes he stole will be removed.

Q: Are madness interactive mods stolen?
A: No, the author of madness interactive let everyone download the game. It is stolen if it's exactly the same though.

7. Extra stuff and facts
- If you find any flash game or movie that says "Powered by sothink" and it is good, there is a 95% chance of it being stolen. It is because sothink can decomply flashes. The original flash you find won't be 100% the same as the stolen flash, but it will very similar.

- Found any stolen flashes that are Past judgement? Post them on theThief List by Daneximuz

- About 60% of stolen flashes make it past judgement without being noticed.

- You should check every flash game under judgement you find. Unless it sucks, or is submitted by popular flash artist.

- Here is a flash about stolen flashes.

- If you need more whistle points go here

- IF YOU REVEIW THE FLASH, DO NOT SAY IT IS STOLEN IN YOUR REVIEW

Got any tips? I'll post them up here if they are helpful.


Comments (42)

i dont think you realize that this flash has been stolen more than once
<a href="http://www.funny-games.biz/external/flash-pinball.html">http://www.funny-games.biz/external/f lash-pinball.html</a>
<a href="http://www.media-division.com/flashgames/pinball/pinball.htm">http://www.media-division.com/flashga mes/pinball/pinball.htm</a>
<a href="http://www.puffgames.com/flashpinball/">http://www.puffgames.com/flashpinball /</a>
<a href="http://www.thepinballzone.net/playGame.php?id=39">http://www.thepinballzone.net/playGam e.php?id=39</a>
these are all websites with that game on it.
this guys other submission is stolen as well <a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/405832">http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /405832</a> this game can also be found at:
<a href="http://www.goriya.com/flash/tictactoe.shtml">http://www.goriya.com/flash/tictactoe .shtml</a>
<a href="http://www.sunncity.com/neave_flashgame/tictactoe/index.html">http://www.sunncity.com/neave_flashga me/tictactoe/index.html</a>

now, i hate flash stealing about as much as you do...so i say that we should deal with this in a mature way....spam him?
You have opened my eyes! now wen i play very simple generic flash games in the portal i will be sure to google it.

Yeah, his other 2 flashes were stolen too. His account will probably be deleated anyways since he stole 4 flashes.

want some practice ;)
newgrounds.com/portal/view/406136

its not under judgement though

Agreed. You should be able to flag flashes even after judgement.

Yes you should, and I don't know why they dont have it.

I personally and wholeheartedly think this may be the best blog in NG yet. This should be shown in the News Section.

Really? Thanks!!

Newgrounds is a brilliant site, but it's flash thieves and spam voters that completely ruin its brilliance. Thankfully, those damn chain reviews are gone...

If only there was a brilliant way to stop these things from happening...
Till then, we will have to try with the current system in place, and hope it works...

I actually enjoyed those chain rewiews becuase i got more whistle points. You can put in an Action script code in your flash to prevent people from stealing it. I don't know it though. If everyone knew the code it would make stolen flashes go down 200%

Yep, there are ways of stopping people from stealing flashes, but every wall has some way around it...
If you had a really good code, only the best would be able to steal it, though...

There are a few flashes that tell you those codes, I've re-found one...
Its probably not the best, but it works, I think...
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/311014">http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /311014</a>

Yep, but the noobs who steal it are too nooby to figure out how to get rid of the code

well i was the same way, thinking that there cant be THAT many stolen flash movies on NG. usually i would flag some i have seen before on another website. i never looked for the signs of a stolen flash... also, some other ways to find stolen flashes:

at night- at night, there are usually the members that are on to do nothing. maybe on to waste time or something. mostly wont be that in to it, and knowing what is stolen, blamable etc. so will watch a movie, vote on it, and not noticing, helped pass a stolen flash.

on event days: case and point- clock day. that day, and usually 1 or 2 after it, everyone will vote 5s on flashes, passing them. people will submit stolen/ blamable flash movies just to get it passed on these days. actually, on the last one, i my self went up 5 B/P ranks just by passing them... but only on flashes with [CC] in the tittle or something to do with the clocks...

and, adding to what Take-Down said, original content is only original for a few seconds before getting old (rule 21 of the internet :P) A.K.A., after something is submitted on any site, many people will try and steal it, succeeding, and will be on many different sites... making it harder and harder to fins he original maker of a flash...

and really, if anyone flags a submission, it should be taken off until it can be reviewed by admins. but many people dont have the level to flag it in time... so, even though i dont think should spam a link in a review... this thread can help getting whistle levels up from reviews of flash movies:
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/74264">http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/7 4264</a>
i got out of garbage whistle from it, so getting higher from that can help with flagging flash movies.

well that got pretty long now didnt it? but hey, helping out with my points of this topic :D
and really, this, when it has a great amount of info to make it perfect, SHOULD be added to the FAQ or something!

Great tips! do you want me to put them up on it? (i will credit you)

Great advice from Infernalz, about marking reviews for whistle points...
You should also try really bad movies or games, some reviewers can't help but start insulting the artist...
If you're really desparate, crew movies have a fair amount of bad reviews...
For example, the classic... B
<a href="http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/28240">http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view /28240</a>
But thats probably already been cleaned of bad reviews, so try another one...

B has a lot of reveiws, so its gonna be harder to find the abusive ones. What you can do is if you see a abusive or really bad reveiw is to look at the reveiwers other reveiws.

I also agree that the submissions could be able to be flagged after judgement, since some flashes can take months before someone find out it's stolen.

exactly!! I don't know why they don't have it

The whole pinball thing happened to me to, infact it was that exact same one!

I'm not sure if I flagged it, but what you wrote about finding stolen flashes is pretty spot on.

the pinball one got blammed :)

*in response to your response to my first comment*

of course you can put in in there :D i was just adding my experiences of stolen flash movies, and whistle points. always good to have as much info as you can on something great like this, so sure :)

Thanks!

Well, &quot;Pinball&quot; did get blammed after all. Maybe there is justice in this world.

1 down, 1,248 to go!!

Yeah you should be able to whistle after a submission passes judgement cause the chances are much higher that a person of experienced knowledge about whistling or stolen flashes will find it after it passes judgement. Its about an average of 250 votes to make a submission pass judgement, I wonder how many acually view the flash and base the score on the quality, not just vote based on clues (series, first flash, etc...).

Well, I vote on quality, and if im 100% sure something is stolen i just vote 0 to get the blam point.

yay gold wisle

Thanks. I can't wait till I get deity.

i think your guide has some usefulness- but its too general... e.g.

&quot;- games&quot;
no- there are actually a lot more stolen flashes in my experience
&quot;- submitted by noobs (Member for not that long)&quot;
wrong- there have userS that had submitted quite a few flashes (30+) and then used the infamous file swap after a shit flash has passed judgement
- &quot;the description is really short&quot;
sometimes- but they always emphasise &quot;I made this&quot;
- the games great but the boxshot is really bad or it doesn't have one
i dont get what you mean by boxshot...
- flashes nobody has heard of
for some reason, if its a game, it normally is a defense ame...
- a low level (about 1-5) of the submitter
i dont get what you mean there either
- if a user has one stolen flash, they probably have more&quot;
that is the case for a lot of the tmes

also, your point about that it happens at night is not true, because on teh intawebs, there IS NO 'NIGHT'- where theres night in London, theres day in America, where theres night in America, theres day in Australia ETCETERA...

the other points are true... i hope this helps... otherwise, i think this guide can be VERY helpful

Thank You!

I said Most stolen flashes, not all.

I meant boxshot as in the 46 x 46 pic. Thanks, ill make it more clear.

You know how your level is 17? Well, most flash artists who steal have a low level like 1 or 2. The higher there level is, the more they value their account. I should just put high stats, thanks again.

The general nighttime for newgrounds is about 2:00AM, thats when there are the least users online.

Thank you so much, I really want to make this guide as good as It can be.

I found this very helpful dude...
I added it here
<a href="http://aldlv.newgrounds.com/news/post/41722">http://aldlv.newgrounds.com/news/post /41722</a>
my page about NGstuff
XD
you are on the 'Links Section'

but... I haven't finished the page yet... maybe in a week or something...
but... thnx dude... is pretty a cool

Thanks!

Yay! I love you people who make these help guides to help us all flag bad reviews &amp; stolen games and movies, it's just so helpful and i can't thank you all enough! GO PEOPLE WHO FIND ABUSIVE AND STOLEN CONTENT AND THEN TELL US TO STOP THE FLASH AND HELP US GET POINTS!

Thanks! Did you see dnadraxxus's newspost?

http://dnadraxxus.newgrounds.com/

What if the author's name isn't in the flash but instead another author's name? Like in the flash [Synergy] submitted by SpongeLock, instead of spongelock, there's Degi EArTH. Then you come across a blammed submission that lasted 4 or 5 days or so that got good reviews and had the same name as the flash?

Some people have different usernames. Check for flash submissions from Degi EArTH. If you can't find it, then your just going to assume that its not stolen.

That was very informative. Especially the part about not putting it in the review. EVERYONE does that, and then I have to delete them. :-(

Cheers for the good news post. :-)

Yeah, a lot of people say that a flash is stolen in a reveiw.

wow... i wish i had that kind of experience

What kind of experience?

Great tips :D

Thanks!

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